Friday, December 09, 2005

Where's Your Global Warming Now?

So far here in the Chicago area we've had one of the coldest and snowiest Decembers on record. I don't think I had shoveled since before we left for Afghanistan. I never much like shoveling snow, but it was sure nice to be out there with Mrs. Prop. It was nice that she helped, nice to be home and nice that we could be together.


Blogger Suzi said...

I have been told that a colder winter is an indicator of global warming. I don't understand that and no one has explained it to me. They just say it again.

6:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Because as the global average goes up, the icecaps and glaciers, etc melt. this puts a lot more fresh water into the oceans in the north. This shuts down the main ocean currents that brings heat from the tropics (which is driven by the salt water cooling, sinking, and moving south). Fresh water is always lighter than salt water and won't sink when it cools. Creates a lot of instability and climate change.

It was 75 here today...

MAJ Wildcat

7:32 PM  
Blogger Major John said...

Uh...'Prop - I cannot see the it just me?

BTW - the doom scenario in the 1970s was the coming Ice Age , due to pollution, etc. Maybe the theories will adjust again, heh heh.

8:17 PM  
Blogger Simon Peter said...

Of course the variations of temperatures between successive years has nothing to do with cyclical phenomenom like the 19 year sun spot cycle, for example. No sir, that couldn't possibly have anything to do with it. Nope. Not likely at all.

I blame it all on the second law of thermodynamics, myself.

7:33 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The only way to prove the weather/temp will change is to wait and see what happens. Cause and effect is murky and predicted changes are subtle. Given the US's size, we have lots of latitude to buffer changes (along with the tech to "fix" weather difficulties). Smaller countries dependent on regular rainfall for survival, are more concerned.

This will play out in an interesting way because the body of science mostly agrees but has been unable to convince the body politic. The public seems to fipflop to whoever has the best soundbite. We should find out in our lifetimes (given few deployments that is - Inshalla).


12:45 PM  
Blogger Simon Peter said...

It seems to me that to think that we can affect something the size of our planet is pretty far fetched. The population of the US only accounts for 3% of the surface area of the US, so even if you threw in another % for roads, we don't make much of a dent on the environment really.

4:15 PM  
Blogger Mighty Quinn said...

I'm the first to admit that I don't understand worldwide, geothermal, transcontinental, oceanographic stuff, but... those who do seem to be of the opinion that 'global warming' is a problem. I tend to trust people who know more than I do about particular topics. That's why I take Major John and Inner Prop's comments on Afghanistan so seriously. It seems odd that not everyone sees the parallel.

9:38 AM  
Blogger Simon Peter said...

Mighty Quinn: I'm all for trusting experts, but there seems to be far too much politicization (is that a real word?) of this subject to trust the "end of the world" crew, especially given their ties to extreme environmentalists and other enemies of the rational. And there are scientists who are decrying the global warming hysterics, but they keep getting shut down. You'd think that if global warming was based on good solid science, that a rational look at the whole thing would silence them, rather than sneeky tactics. But I could be cynical, so what do I know?

10:00 AM  
Blogger Major John said...

Oh, and don't accord me too much deference on Afghanistan. I was in position to see rather a broad sweep of events, etc. But if I go off half-cocked, I expect people to "throw the bullshit flag"...

2:50 PM  
Blogger Inner Prop said...

Quinn - I agree that those who have more data and have studied a subject are of course the subject matter experts and I do defer to that.

I also agree with Simon that there is still some question among those SME about what is really going to happen. It just happens that the loudest and the most popular among interest groups is the Global Warming side.

Just because someone is an SME I, as a consumer and voter, don't have to believe them. They have to convince me.

Although my post was slightly tongue-in-cheek my point is our historical data is too small to make a determination about future weather.

On the other hand I agree that we are defecating where we eat and we should stop it.

3:46 PM  
Blogger Simon Peter said...

Prop: And remember that not everyone labeled a SME is actually a SME. And ... weren't there supposed to have been a couple of ice ages in the history of the earth? Were those caused by SUVs? Did ancient cavemen use CFCs in their deodorants? However did such things occur without human beings to cause the problems? Just a thought. Of course, this has nothing to do with cyclical patterns or anything. I'm obviously more cynical than I previously thought.

7:59 AM  
Blogger Major John said...

I still cannot see any photos...

9:44 AM  
Blogger Simon Peter said...

Major John: There aren't any pictures. I think it's a metaphor for there not being any global warming either. And I could do with some global warming tonight, with a big ol' snow storm heading my way. It'd make it easier to shovel my driveway.

8:57 PM  
Blogger Major John said...

Simon, that's it! Pictures of a whiteout/blizzard! Thanks.

10:05 PM  
Blogger Mighty Quinn said...

Sorry for late response - bogged down by aforementioned blizard.

What is an 'SME'?

9:41 AM  
Blogger Major John said...

Subject Matter Expert

3:33 PM  
Blogger Inner Prop said...

Funny funny. I couldn't get my photos of "The Day After Tomorrow" to upload. Blogger said they were uploaded, but they don't show up. I didn't think it was worth explaining because the story stood up all by itself.

I guess I was wrong.

12:50 AM  

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